1. notleia says:

    Uh-oh, Whedon stepped on some ‘shipper toes. Though I would’ve been on board with Clintasha.


    But Hawkeye having a family opens whole new vistas and also cans of worms, because with as often as he’s on tap for SHIELD, that makes him a pretty absent father/husband. Especially for farm-living people. I mean, seriously, Clint, leave ’em in some town where nothing happens, not on 160 acres that need upkeep.

    • dmdutcher says:

      Problem is they just killed any chance to bring Mockingbird, Hawkeye’s actual wife in the Marvel Universe, into the films. What’s annoying in the films is that Hawkeye’s role in the Avengers is much less than in the comics: Hawkeye has been the leader of the Avengers part-time, as well as the founder and leader of the West Coast Avengers. He’s comparable to Nightwing/Dick Grayson in the DC universe, and I think he’s one of the better male role models in comics because he shows that you do’t have to be an alpha male to be a good man.

      • Julie D says:

        Actually, Mockingbird has already shown up in Agents of Shield and linked with a different character. So even without Clint’s wife, she wouldn’t have appeared in that capacity.

        • dmdutcher says:

          That sounds more like “random character that has nothing to do with Mockingbird using the name.” I wish they’d not do that-it sucks for those of us who actually liked the character before to see them become nothing like the concept.

    • dmdutcher says:

      Fan reaction seems mixed. I think the problem is that they had no real incentive to make a good film. They pretty much had guaranteed sales and no real desire to challenge any boundaries. They also had no source material to adapt from-the original age of Ultron had nothing to do with the movie, and wasn’t particularly liked either. So you had a lot of aspects that would make it hard to make a film for fans.

      The thing too is that the original Avengers was a good, but not great film. I think for a while, geeks were so used to geek films being so bad that a lot of the success of the Avengers was in that film that put out a serious effort. I mean, compare it to the campy Superman movies, or Ang Lee’s the Hulk. But now we’re used to quality, and the Avengers wasn’t that good.

      edit: ugh, this one was meant to be a stand alone comment. The nested thread thing is killing me today.

  2. Mark Carver says:

    “Normcore.” Normal and hardcore. Which really means normal.

  3. Mark Carver says:

    I remember when people started adding “core” to everything about ten years ago. The most ridiculous one I came across was “mumblecore,” a film genre where people mostly just talk in very realistic and often improvised conversations. Groundbreaking!

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