1. dmdutcher says:

    I hope they do well. It’s good to take chances, even mild ones.

  2. notleia says:

    Persecution? Nope. We do not need something else that feeds into the melodramatic evangelical persecution complex. I don’t need my dad getting any more paranoid about the libruls, thankyouverymuch. Having one movie based on a conspiracy-theoristic chain email is enough (God’s Not Dead), arigato gozaimasu.

    But The Virgins sounds like something worth throwing money at. The conservative Christian attitude about sex could use some lightening up. And maybe they’ll debunk that abstinence-only myth that the first married time is magical-unicorns-bedframe-cracking perfection, unlike heathen unmarried first time, even though it might very well include the exact same people, genitals, emotional attachment, and awkward beginner skill level.

    • But The Virgins sounds like something worth throwing money at. The conservative Christian attitude about sex could use some lightening up. And maybe they’ll debunk that abstinence-only myth that the first married time is magical-unicorns-bedframe-cracking perfection, unlike heathen unmarried first time, even though it might very well include the exact same people, genitals, emotional attachment, and awkward beginner skill level.

      Agreed. I think. 🙂

      I would remind you, though, that Christians have already been “lightening up” about sex, so much so that megachurch pastors can’t shut up about it. And it gets really annoying. If you disagree, I have two words that instantly prove my point: Mark. Driscoll.

      However, if you don’t mean “lighten up about the topic” but rather “lighten up on the ‘rules’ about it,” well — it sounds like the makers of this film have a different take. It’s the “sex prosperity gospel” that deserves mockery, not the Biblical standards and expectations for purity that glorifies God no matter how much fun we personally get out of it.

      • dmdutcher says:

        More infamous example of that here:

        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2087652/Pastor-wife-cosy-roof-church-tell-worshippers-sex.html

        Only thing worse than pastors not teaching people about sex is when they teach people about sex, it seems.

        • notleia says:

          WAT?

          Though it doesn’t seem like these peeps (or ol’ Marky Mark) are really talking about sex so much as telling people they need to have sex more. And IIRC ol’ Marky Mark said something dickheaded about how women should submit even if they really don’t wanna (HELLO MARITALRAPE). But besides Marky Mark, maybe the necessary babystep is to start off with “Yes, sex is not all dirtyawful, yes.” I really wish it wasn’t, but maybe it is.

        • Though it doesn’t seem like these peeps (or ol’ Marky Mark) are really talking about sex so much as telling people they need to have sex more.

          Driscoll alone has done both. He recommends Moar Sex and then has gone on about it in public and in tasteless detail (including the freaky stuff — which is best reserved for marriage books). And he’s done it for exactly the reasons with which it sounds like you could sympathize: e.g., “We need to Lighten Up about this stuff, and if you believe differently then you’re a Legalist” (which is, of course, exactly a legalistic attitude on Driscoll’s part — as if legalism like any other sin is so easily diagnosed by Appearance alone).

          My point is that simply “fixing the problem” or “correcting the bad guys (whether they are fundamentalists or Liberals)” is both a lame and an un-Biblical motivation for discussing the topic of sex. The central goal of the discussion ought to be Joy. And if we’re to talk about that, then we need to talk about the expressed purposes of the Joy-Giver, the Creator of sex and of us. Otherwise our “joy” is not only fake, but quickly becomes a real turn-off.

          • notleia says:

            I’m not really advocating sex discussion from the pulpit. That’s several kinds of awkward. But it would be……I dunno what words I want to use, but I would like to see sex…humanized? by Christians. As in, express this as a thing that people do like eating or driving or snowball fighting and not like handling radioactive asbestos laced with LSD. That we can talk about it even among unmarried people of appropriate age (and appropriate age being, like, 18 and not 53).

            Have you ever seen a comments-section discussion about sex or sexy things on the Internet? In the right communities it’s much less awkward/gross than you might think. (Marky Mark is not one of these communities.)

    • notleia says:

      Update: By now I’ve watched ~2/3rds of The Virgins trailer…..and I’m not that optimistic anymore. The writing/acting doesn’t seem good enough or superbly awful enough to be funny. It looks pretty blah.

  3. Tim Frankovich says:

    Good article. I must take issue with your “ha ha” comment, however. I do notice that you wrote “apparent” so I’ll cut you some slack. You “apparently” haven’t seen Mom’s Night Out, based on your comment. Then again, neither have I. But I do take issue with comments that embrace the bias of reviewers who went into the movie believing it was about a stupid Christian belief, and then wrote their reviews about that, regardless of the actual movie.

     

    You see… my wife saw the movie. And loved it. (And she generally HATES “Christian” movies, like Fireproof, et al.) As a mom, she identified with the characters in the movie more than any other movie she’s seen in years. Sean Astin’s character, one of the dads, was shown as perfectly competent to take care of his kids, whereas one of the other dads was not. Wow. Just like real life. And each one of the moms were different, as well.

     

    It’s almost like… it’s NOT what the biased reviewers claimed it was about…

What say you?